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符斗祭英化Project初步预览(全部卡牌文本)

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[LV.5]触手I

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发表于 2016-5-22 04:46:29 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
给符斗祭做英文版其实从很早之前开始就是我的一个野心,但是中途因为弃坑而不了了之了很久,不过这次回坑后感觉又找到了进行这个项目的激情,前一阵子我在质子君的私聊中做过如下分析:
质子大大好久不见,sorry又消失了这么久,这周刚刚回坑,看见符斗祭的很多卡牌和角色都换了原创人设,不用想就能知道你肯定又是自掏腰包,怎么说呢,作为符斗祭的老粉感觉看着心酸,虽然我非常同意你坚持不盈利的观点,毕竟在中国开始盈利就等于开始来麻烦,单纯地收费违背咱们的宗旨和初心,集资说是非法就是非法,众筹在中国也不发达,中国人对众筹的观念也几乎没有。所以我感觉资金的问题首先是给你造成负担二是某种程度上也拖缓了符斗祭的开发进度。
所以我又把妄想中的符斗祭英化Project搬了出来,因为北美的东方厨还是有一定数量的,而且在北美众筹是很简单的一件事情,在美国人的观念里,如果他们喜欢一个project,他们是很乐意多多少少支援一些钱作为支持的。而东方符斗祭我认为游戏的质量是很高的,所以如果能在youtube上找个知名的良心解说推一下应该能获得一定数量的玩家,然后再叙述一下你一个人开发的艰辛和资金上的不足,应该会有北美玩家愿意做出资金上的支援,这样的例子有很多,比如youtube上的carbot animations, wronchi animations 和众多youtube游戏解说都是这样来弥补资金问题的,到时候求助帮忙宣传的youtuber我已经相上了几个,1. trump(
https://www.youtube.com/user/TrumpSC 如果你能翻墙的话)这个解说的频道主题是炉石以及各种卡牌类游戏,非常符合符斗祭的游戏类型,而且trump比较良心,感觉答应无偿帮忙宣传或者,筹到资金之后再给报酬的几率较大。House Owner(https://www.youtube.com/user/RagingHouse)以及Sky工作室,这个工作室是4、5个解说组成的工作室,据我了解这几个人都是对ACG很感兴趣,尤其是house owner是个死宅,所以我认为他们可能会对符斗祭感兴趣。youtube的咆哮提督(暂时没找到他的频道,到时候我会去仔细找)当初因为直播舰娘摔成poi哀嚎咆哮的北美提督,这个人应该会对符斗祭感兴趣的原因我就不多解释了吧。
(以下是妄想)到时候筹到的资金,大部分我会转账给你,用来开发符斗祭,小部分作为我的工资以及给youtuber的报酬,如果以后再做纯英语配音的话也能抽资金来请CV什么的
(以下是我初步考虑到的问题和障碍)
1.如果英化我能提供的只是尽可能多的文本,到时候英文版符斗祭的程序还是得麻烦质子去编写。
2.符斗祭并没有英文论坛,如果有西方玩家加入,我们至少需要一个完全英文化的卡牌查看器,这又是一项工程。
3.西方玩家加入后,和咱们现有的国人玩家群体在同一个服务器里游戏的话,会不会在聊天框和文文新闻中发生冲突,发生了的话如何解决
总之,我认为英文版符斗祭能带来资金和知名度等好处,但是也会带来一些问题,投入产出上面我已经进行了初步的分析,具体是否值得去进行这个project还是交给质子君决定。
如果你点头,我认为我半个月之内能solo把所有卡牌,角色和游戏内的文本以及所有英化卡牌的PS搞定,如果你摇头,什么时候你觉得符斗祭英化project可以有了再跟我说就好

质子君的答复是:可以有,不过手头上的项目挺多的,应该暂时提不上日程。
所以本银决定先自己慢慢来,有时间就翻译一些有时间就翻译一些,如果什么时候质子说“我们来英化符斗祭吧”,我能第一时间拿出一部分的已完成文本。
总之,以下是全部卡牌的文本英化预览

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 楼主| 发表于 2016-5-22 04:46:54 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 无节操の某白银 于 2016-5-22 04:50 编辑

基础牌(Basic cards):
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弹幕:Danmaku
Card effect: During play phase, it can be used on other players that's in your attacking range,
and will do 1 damage if hits.
>>Your default attack range is 1
>>In default situiation you can only use 1 【Danmaku】 during your play phase
(CV:VV)

擦弹:Dodge
Card effect: When you are attacked by a 【Danmaku】, You can use a 【Dodge】 to avoid the effect
>>In default situation, 【Dodge】 can only be used outside your turn
(Artist:霏茶, CV:小羽)

酒:Wine
Card effect: During your play phase, it can be used on yourself to gain a "drunk" buff
under "drunk" buff, lethal damage you recieve will have -1 damage, or the next【Danmaku】you played will have +1 damage
>>The “drunk” buff will be removed either the effect is triggered or last to your prepare phase
>>You can use 【wine】 under "drunk" buff but the effect won't stack.
(Artist:霏茶, CV:shourei小N)

恶心丸:Disgusting Manju
Card effect: During your play phase, it can be used on yourself with no extra effect but considered discarding.
If the card is discarded in any way, the player that triggered it has to chose and execute one of the following action:
1. recieve 1 "no source damage"
2. discard 2 cards.
>>When you discard 【Disgusting Manju】 due to other players' equipment
(for example 【Hakurouken】's effect)
or skill
(for example Kijin Seja's provoke, Hata no Kokoro's Dark Gakushu)
that player will be considered the one who discarded 【Disgusting Manju】
(Artist:霏茶, CV:shourei小N)

麻薯:Mochi
Card effect: 【Mochi】 can be used in the following situiation:
1. During your play phase, it can be usedon yourself to heal 1 hp
2. When a player(including youself) is at death gate, it can be used on that player heal 1 hp
>> During play phase if you are at full hp, you can not use 【Mochi】
(Artist:霏茶, CV:VV)
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装备牌:

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防具(Armor)

光学迷彩: Optics Camouflage
Card effect: After equiped, when you need to use 【Dodge】, you can activate【Optic Camouflage】 to roll a card, if the card is red, then it's considered as you used a 【Dodge】

天狗盾: Tengu Shield
Card effect: After equiped, you are immune to damage done by black【Danmaku】.

阳伞: Yukari's umbrella
Card effect: After equiped, you are immune to damge done by spell.

巫女服: Miko's Kimono
Card effect: After equiped, when you are targeted by a spell, you can roll a card, if it's 9-K,  then it's considered as you used a 【Just friend card】

罪袋的头套:Tsumi fukuro's mask
Card effect: Can be used on players with in 2 range of you, the player that equiped with 【Tsumi fukuro's mask】 has to roll a card after rolling phase,
if the card is spade, then that player receive 2 no source spell damage then put the 【Tsumi fukuro's mask】 into that player's hand.

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武器 (Weapon)

楼观剑: Roukanken
Card effect: Attack range 3, after equiped, the 【Danmaku】 you used will ignore armor

八卦炉: Eight Trigram Reactor
Card effect: Attack range 1, after equiped, you can use any number of 【Danmaku】 during play phase.

冈格尼尔: Ganggenier
Card effect: Attack range 3, after equiped, you can use 2 cards in your hand as a 【Danmaku】

绯想之剑: Scarlet rhapsody sword
Card effect: Attack range 4, after equiped, when the 【Danmaku】 you used is the last card in your hand pool, that
【Danmaku】 can hit up to 3 targets

悔悟棒:Rod of Remorse
Card effect: Attack range 2, after equiped, when your 【Danmaku】 deals damage, you can discard 2 cards of the player it hits instead of doing any damage
>>The discard effect includs hand pool, equipment pool and rolling pool.

蓬莱玉枝: Hourai jeweled branch
Card effect: Attack range 1, after equiped, during play phase, when you use 【Danmaku】 you can chose to change the 【Danmaku】's effect into a spell effect: deal 1 damege

白楼剑; Hakurouken
Card effect: Attack range 2, after equiped, when you target a player with a club 【Danmaku】, you can make him chose an option from the following:
1. Discard a card from hand pool
2. Let you draw a card

团扇: Hauchiwa fan
Card effect: Attack range 5, after equiped, after your 【Danmaku】 deals damage, you can use a card from your hand pool to discard a card from equipment pool of the player it hits

念写机: Thoughtography machine
Card effect: Attack range 4, after quiped, after your 【Danmaku】 deals damage, 2 random hand pool cards of the player it hits become visible to all players(put into revealed pool)

莱瓦汀: Laevatain
Card effect: Attack range 3, after equiped, when your 【Danmaku】 is denied by target player's 【Dodge】 you can discard 2 cards to make this 【Danmaku】 inevitable

死神镰刀: Reaper Sythe
Card effect: Attack range 2, after equiped, when your 【Danmaku】 hits a player with no hand pool, it deals +1 damage

魔导书: Magic book
Card effect: Attack range 1, after equiped, only once during play phase, if you have not used【Danmaku】,
you can use a card to trigger the following effect:
1. Spade as 【Biakiyako】
2. Heart as 【Banquet】
3. Club as 【Carpet Danmaku】
4. Diamond as 【Foison】
>> You can not use 【Danmaku】 after using the effects above

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饰品(Accessory)

阴阳玉:Yin-Yang orb
Card effect: After equiped, when you roll a card, you can discard 【Yin-Yang orb】 from your equipment pool to replace the card you rolled.

青蛙帽:Suwako's hat
Card effect: After equiped, the maximum cards you can hold in your hand pool +2

半灵: Myon
Card effect: After equiped, your maximum hp +1, when you lose 【Myon】 from equipment pool, you lose the +1 max hp, but heal for 1 hp

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UFO (UFO)

红色UFO/绿色UFO: Red/Green UFO
Card effect: UFO is used to change the distance between you and other players
>> 【Red UFO】 is offensive UFO, when calculating distance from you to other players
【Red UFO】 will -1 distance for you(only)
>> 【Green UFO】 is deffensive UFO, when calculating distance from you to other players
【Red UFO】 will +1 distance for you(only)
>> You can equip both red and green at the same time.

伊吹瓢: Ibuki's wine gourd (special Red UFO)
Card effect: After equiped, gain the "Drunk" buff immediately, and if you didn't do any damage to other players during play phase, you gain the "Drunk" buff at the end of your turn

要石: Key stone (Special Green UFO)
Card effect: After equiped, distance +1, skip the rolling for 【Tsumi fukuro】

魔女扫把: Marisa's Broom (Special Red UFO)
Card effect: After equiped, distance -2

⑨的翅膀:Chirno's Wing (Special Red UFO)
Card effect: After equiped, distance -1, 【Fumajin】 and 【Frozen frog】 have no effect on you
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符卡(Spell Cards)
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非延时类符卡(instant spell card)
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城管执法(Urban management!)
Card effect: During play phase, used on another player to discard one of his cards.

好人卡(Just friend card)
Card effect: Right before a spell card is causing effect on a player, you can play this card to cancel the spell card effect on this player.

寻龙尺(Dowsing rod)
Card effect: During play phase, use to draw two cards.

隙间(Gap)
Card efect: During play phase, used on a player with in range of 1, take one of his card to your hand.

弹幕战(Danmaku battle)
Card effect: During play phase, used on another player, starting from the targeted player, both players take turns to play a 【Danmaku】 the first player failed to do this take 1 spell damage.

人形操控(Control puppet)
Card effect: During play phase, used on a player who has weapon in his equipment pool to let him chose from the following.
1.Use a 【Danmaku】 on another player with in his attack range assgined by you.
2.Surrender his weapon to your hand.

赛钱箱(Tribute box)
Card effect: During play phase, use to target at most 2 players, each player needs to chose a card and put into your revealed pool.

延时类符卡(delaying spell card)
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封魔阵(Fumajin)
Card effect: During play phase, target one player to put this card into his rolling pool.
At the rolling phase of the targeted player, he needs to roll a card then discard this card, if the rolling result is not heart, the players' playing phase will be skipped

冻青蛙(Frozen frog)
Card effect: During play phase, target one player to put this card into his rolling pool.
At the rolling phase of the targeted player, he needs to roll a card then discard this card, if the rolling result is not spade, the players' drawing phase will be skipped

罪袋(Tsumi fukuro)
Card effect: During play phase, used on yourself to put this card into your rolling pool. At the rolling phase, the player that has this card in his rolling pool needs to roll a card:
1.If the rolling result is spade 1-8, this player take 3 no source damage, then discard this card.
2.If the rolling result is not spade 1-8, then this card move to the rolling pool of the next player.

群体类符卡(Aoe spell card)
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地图炮(Carpet Danmaku)
Card effect: During play phase, used to target all other players, each targeted player needs to play a 【Dodge】, or take 1 spell damage.

百鬼夜行(Biakiyako)
Card effect: During play phase, used to target all other players, each targeted player needs to play a 【Danmaku】, or take 1 spell damage.

宴会(Feast)
Card effect: During play phase, used to target all players, each player heal 1 hp if damaged, or gain 【Drunk】 if not damaged.

五谷丰登(Harvest)
Card effect: During play phase, used to reveal as many cards as the number of players alive, starting from the caster all targeted players take turns to chose and take one of the cards.
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 楼主| 发表于 2016-5-22 04:48:39 | 显示全部楼层
嘛,发出来一是为了让大家能看到这初步的成果,二是希望能得到民那桑对于符斗祭英化project的相关看法,三是,看了这贴第一印象不是“太长不看”的英语帝帮我挑挑错~233
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本帖最后由 天邪鬼 于 2016-5-22 09:12 编辑

我找的翻译百鬼夜行是Hyakkiyakou。写这么多还是你牛,还有,英化的话cv还会是一样的么?
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既然大佬认真写我也认真挑
985高校英语语言与文学专业,专四水平,不上不下,希望大佬觉得能有资格来做这个校正

大体印象先。。。。表意基本上准确了但是语言相当繁琐
不知道大佬有没有看过THB和sgs的前身Bang!的资料,反正我在群里第一次看到这篇翻译的时候就去wiki了一下
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang!_(card_game)#Set_up
这篇,可以完全改善关于弹幕、攻击范围、擦弹、受到/造成伤害的翻译,不再赘述

  阶段:不知道阶段大佬都是怎么翻译的。。。。但是出牌阶段的playing phase个人认为不地道,可能dealing会    好一点。还有判定的rolling,无可厚非但是没法让人眼前一亮
英日混杂:个人认为还是尽量放在英语语境下翻译比较好
               酒:wine多指葡萄酒或者果酒,粮食酒的表述在英语里是alchol,在日语里取烧酒是sake
和原本效果描述不甚符合的翻译:
               盾:描述效果和下面的阳伞基本上是一样的但是这俩的效果完全不一样。。。。阳伞免疫的是伤害而  盾免疫的是这张牌
指定....为目标:至少大佬的弹幕取的是hit,我个人比较倾向于target,这个可以作动词。

以下是一些字面上的建议
  弹幕:个人建议,shoot,反正弹幕的概念是普通射击也不是卡
  擦弹:相对的,miss
  头套:mask of sin/sentence 虽然原来那个意义完全但是有点忒长
  八卦:直接把发音落下来就好了。。。
  绯想:个人认为有待商榷。。。。要么你把sword去掉感觉还顺一点
  魔导书:干脆找个传说中有的书名放上去咋样
  要石:前面罗马音那么起劲这个咋。。。还真是“要”石啊
  弹幕战:直接翻决斗吧
  冻青蛙:我一直不知道这个是冻上了的青蛙还是用来冻青蛙的spell
  aoe spell card。。。。。我咋感觉有点雷。。。个人认为multi-spell 比较好
  地图炮:地毯一般的弹幕。。。。个人感觉 fire coverage或者coverage command等等以coverage中心的翻法比较好

先到这里。。。委实忒长了。。。。
  
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核弹の阿空 发表于 2016-5-22 09:42
Just publish picture without a word

然后包就神tm落了个拼音下来
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看不懂英语我路过支持一下……
虽说目前最多人期待的cv是日版?
[发帖际遇]:

藤原·妹紅被一击必杀,损失5 点节操.
幸运榜 / 衰神榜
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核弹の阿空 发表于 2016-5-22 09:42
Just publish picture without a word

这个应该是质子写程序的时候随意翻译的吧,简单看了一下。。。exibwan,嘛。。。
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无节操の某白银成功捕获一个吸血鬼,获得10 点节操.
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藤原·妹紅 发表于 2016-5-22 09:52
看不懂英语我路过支持一下……
虽说目前最多人期待的cv是日版?

我凌晨2点要开6小时长途去办事,正在睡觉但是突然醒了一下,我就简单说两句解释一下吧,CV这个事当时质子也问我了,但是其实想一下是很简单的,咱们如果到时候拿着符斗祭去宣传,只要游戏内文本和卡牌查看器完全英化了就好,让鬼佬们能看得懂就行,暂时不提供英文CV,想要英文CV吗?想要英文的实体卡吗?(偷偷说一句,貌似实体卡快。。。有了?)捐钱捐钱,不捐钱说个球,我们穷请不起CV,嘛这件事大概就是这样,拿出去宣传能让他们看懂就好,其他的都是见到money后再说的233
关于日语CV:不知道日语CV的话文本有木有,圈子里有没有日语帝在进行这项工程,如果单纯需要文本的话我也是很乐意给质子提供帮助的,虽然我日语是听力10级不过平假片假完全不会233,但是我认识的大大小小汉化君还是有几个的,总之文本好弄,问题就是CV,又是质子自套腰包请CV。。。我真的看的好心痛
关于天狗:膜拜英语帝,办完事咱再具体讨论。
继续睡了,oyasumi
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无节操の某白银 发表于 2016-5-22 10:12
这个应该是质子写程序的时候随意翻译的吧,简单看了一下。。。exibwan,嘛。。。
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不觉得这样翻译更接地气吗?
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ゆたり天狗 发表于 2016-5-22 09:51
然后包就神tm落了个拼音下来

多接地气
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有趣...容我回家后仔细看看
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我们需要准确与美观并存
而不是接中国的地气
你要能接上英语圈的地气我膜拜你
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ゆたり天狗 发表于 2016-5-22 11:06
我们需要准确与美观并存
而不是接中国的地气
你要能接上英语圈的地气我膜拜你

膜拜+1,我在美国待了8年了没接上美国地气233,不过很多neta确实有地域限制,所以还是,意思明确就好,不要过分直译也不要过分纠结于保留梗。
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膜拜+1,我在美国待了8年了没接上美国地气233,不过很多neta确实有地域限制,所以还是,意思明确就好,不 ...

米国的地气不是大量名词当动词用吗23333333
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单身中……
帮我摆脱单身吧
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(⊙o⊙)哇
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单身中……
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然而我又在英语课上写数学题
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